MERLE Pitbulls BANNED UKC & ADBA
| The ukc has banned the color merle for a while. Now the adba just banned the color merle also. Its on there website. They are asking for all merles to be spay or neutered. If you where gonna spend money on a merle luckily you didnt! |
| posted 03/10/05 by liza |
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| I agree, you should get the dog you'll be happy with. If your happy with the dog it will most likely be a happier dog. There is a good reason though that the UKC and ADBA do not recognize the merle gene in pits. It is not natural in their breed. One time back in their blood line another dog had to be added to make the merle color. But if you breed the merle pups to say blue or 70% white pits, you can still have the merle color. And after about four or five generations you'll have a dog that is all pit, except with a little extra color. "IF if walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flys like a duck, its probably a duck." But the decision is a good one, because too many people are making their own merle pits and the dogs are only like two third pit, and no they are not just like a pit. Plus people who do not know better will breed merle to merle to get all merle pups, this can lead to some major genetic problems. Especially with site. |
| posted 07/23/05 by Eric |
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| I disagree. Probably because I own a Merle PITBULL. I HAVE ALSO BEEN A BREEDER FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS and have had several pitbulls. Rednoses with red coats, Blue fawns, Black brindles( tiger stripe), brown brindles, blues. My merle's sire is a Black brindle with white marking and his dam was a dark blue. Both 100% pitbull. I not sure that 6 generations before his birth there was a breeding between a pitbull and pitbull/ catahoula, but I nor anyone else has proof of that. There's also several breeds that have merle coats that are reconized and registered. Such as; Catahoulas, Great Danes, Austrailian Shepards, Dashounds( mispelled but I mean weenie dogs), I could go on and on. Why are all these breeds able to be registered and can also be merle. I've breed my merle twice in those 6 years and he is my STUD. Out of the 10-20 pitbulls I've had come and go in the past 6 years he has been there the whole time. I've had him since he was 6 weeks old and have had him since. He has been the most loyal, obedient, and protective dog I've had. He's also an excellent watchdog and great with my kids. I breed for size and temperment and I also love the uniqueness of the merle pitbull. I will continue to breed my merle for the love my dog and the love of the breed. I will also keep striving to get the color merle reconized by certain registeries. MERLE PITBULLS ARE 100% PITBULL. |
| posted 04/20/08 by C |
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| If you go back into the past of ALL breeds of dog, they all started out as crosses or mutts, which were then bred together to get specific traits. ALL dog breeds can therefore be said to be "mutts". Who's to say that by breeding responsibly for good traits such as high tolerance of other dogs and to get rid of the animal aggressive traits, as well as conformance to good conformation standards, that you won't end up with a better type of Pit Bull? Merle Pit Bull lovers should consider forming their own breed club instead of trying to blend in with the "plain" crowd. |
| posted 06/18/08 by S in Maryland |
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Pits were bred from mutts too though. That's why the CKC and the AKC do not recognize the breed. Why do you think so many American Pit Bull Terriers look different? I have a 7 generation map of my merle Pit and nowhere does it have anything than 100% pits in them.
What really ticks me off is the UKC will recognize the APBTs that are over 100 lbs. The APBT is supposed to be a medium size dog, not a large breed. How can these be accepted and the merle not?
It's a stupid decision to ban ALL merles. If you can prove your bloodline 3 generations back, they should be acceptable. |
| posted 08/02/08 by Josh |
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| Merle pitbulls have a gene defect which causes their pigment to be messed up. That's why they are white and a color. The lighter color which makes them merle is lighter because the pigment in the color is defected causing it to be lighter. Black that is lighter is grey. Which people will say is blue. Calling them Blue Merles. You guys have no clue. They are not merle from cattle dogs. They are from a genetic defect. With this being said, they also have serious vision problems. That is why one eye is brown and one is blue or even half blue and half brown. That is not unique. Go look at blind peoples eyes. They turn bright blue. Or even white. Merles have vision problems, pigment problems, and even immune system problems which can lead to them catching diseases easier. People breeding Merles with Merles will get a whole litter of merles. Merles to a normal dog you will get 50/50. ADBA and UKC don't recognize them because they should not be bred, and by taking away their registry they, will get people to not want to bred them. Anyone breeding them, you are hurting the breed by putting out disappointments. Most people think there is something special about their dog until they find out the truth only to look at their dog differently. Then that dog will end up in a shelter more than likely only to be put down. So as much as you would like to think you are doing this spectacular thing...you are only bringing a soul into the world to be ended in a lonely and depressing manner. I am sorry for merle lovers. If you love them, then love them, but don't breed them to sell. There are plenty in need of adoption as is. |
| posted 10/01/08 by Jeff |
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| So is the merle not able 2 be regersterd?yes are No? And whats the truth about the merle? I think if Merles cant be regerstered the tri,s shouldnt be either they look liike they mixed with rottweiler by the color in structure of their face! |
| posted 10/11/08 by beast |
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| I don't care what you say, my merle is 100% APBT! I got the proof, and I will be breeding him in the future. That's all I wanted to say on the matter. Peace |
| posted 10/16/08 by Deon |
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| I just had a litter of 11 pit pups. The Dam is what registeries call her bloodline Colby and she also is what they call Gator. My sire is what they call American bloodline. I came out with the most beautiful and diverse litter you could ever see! I had what they call Reds- I had Blues- all Whites- Black/brindle- and then I had 4 of what we are talking about- Merle. And while I understand why people would say the "eye" is a defect and their colors are crazy and not normal- everyone, even you cocky know-it-all-about -pits, have to admit that they are gorgeous. I took my babies to 3 vets and made sure they were not blind and of course they are not. It's like saying every Albino is blind, which is so far from the truth. Ignorance is the real issue with this issue. Every one of my pups is in perfect health. I had no problems with their temperment or training, and they are just as smart and loyal and gentle and loving as the rest of the litter and as their parents. I think you so called "purebred only breeders" are confused and just mad that your litters aren't coming out unique. This breed is naturally a beautiful beast and you are too busy pumping these dogs with steroids and chemicals, trying to make them bigger and intimidating to make up for what you are lacking-knowledge- It's called Haterism and predjudice. My pups sold faster then I could handle them leaving, My merles went first over my solids or even your "purebreds" for that matter- as I was not surprised. I am a "registered" Native American and mixed with black- so am I mutt with bad blood and genes who should never have kids and be "put down"? I can say I am not retarded or defected, nor am I sickly and crazy. I am educated and have actually took the time to find out about the history of the different bloodlines of pitbulls. If you noticed-most of you pitbull know-it-alls can't even spell or can write a correct sentence. Who has the "REAL" defect?? I think it's you. Leave this beautiful breed alone and let the people who love them, love them. I agree with the person who suggested starting a Merle only registry. Then we'll see you know-it-alls buying up our Merles real quick. Haters- you shoud be the ones to be spayed and neutered!!! |
| posted 11/29/08 by Diamond |
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Education people, EDUCATION!!!
I will post many websites regarding the merle genetics & pit bulls with the merle genetics. I have done extensive research with the merle genes because of the dogs i have come to own.
It will be easier and less time consuming just to link the websites to this response rather than physically type it all out myself. However if you have any personal questions i am more than happy to respond.
For a little background i have two double blue merle australian shepherds whom are both deaf and one has major eye defects as outcomes of negligent breeders merle-to-merle breedings. I also have one red merle catahoula bulldog (pit bull). Yes, there is such a thing.
Now please visit each site i post for some serious reading.
Http://www.apbtconformation.com/merle.htm
Http://www.lethalwhites.com/merle.html
Http://www.handicappedpets.com/Articles/aussie/index.htm
Http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/Genetics/ColorGen.html
Oh and please, spay and neuter your dogs. There are way too many in this world ending up being euthanized in shelters annually (how about 11 million in 2008). Don't breed and buy while shelter animals die. |
| posted 01/30/09 by kt |
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| Merle pits...the endless debate....the coat color came from the catahoula. Period. End of story. All it takes is 3 generations away from the catahoula to make the pit "pure" again, but the color, merle, is dominant and stays. In order to produce a merle, one of the parents MUST be merle. It is not a hidden gene that will "pop" up in a solid/solid breeding. I suggest you research cryptic and phantom merles. As these are solid dogs, but are genetically merles. This is quite common in catahoulas too. I have two catahoulas and one "merle pit" (a catahoula/pit mix). I've had 'houlas for ever though. Usually solid black catahoulas are actually merles! They just dont show the diluted patches. A pit bull breeder was breeding a white female pit with blue eyes to solid studs (usually blues and pieds). Every litter he was ending up with merles! Turns out, his white female, was genetically a merle! Suprise suprise. She was a rare example of a cryptic merle that was diluted 100% and was NOT a double merle (lethal white). Merles are dominant and a parent dog must be a merle to produce merled puppies. I've seen people confuse odd marked brindles (more patchy then stripey, or thick stripes) as merles too, or dogs with blue eyes as merles. I've seen idiots state that their solid pit carries the "merle gene". Well without another merle, their solid dog will NOT produce merles! That right there is ignorance, because genetic testing is fairly affordable now and will prove if the dog is a merle or not. DNA testing will too. I believe when the cathaoula clubs get their DNA in order, then the pit bull people can compare their merle dogs against catahoula DNA, and I bet we'll see some similarities. Pits came from crosses of many different breeds. Catahoulas, have been tainted by pits, american bulldogs, and other cur dogs. Pedigrees are good, but genetic testing and DNA is better. |
| posted 03/26/09 by Rachel |
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| Http://www.freewebs.com/pitsforlife/merlepitbulls.htm i just looked at all the links some 1 posted above and found out that A.K.C. Allows merle as a color in staffs? damn, did not know that? thire is a pic of 1 right on thire website http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/index.cfm also 2 add i have the most looking pitbull in a realy weird merle shes all like buckskin (not any type of gray) with black or seal spots, has all black nose and brown eyes with colored ears no pigment missing on her at all! her confo is perfect? better than any of my reg. Dogs (going on u.k.c. Outline)? shes truly amazing in my book!! and im so blessed 2 have this 100% healthy phenotype dog!! |
| posted 03/31/09 by mws |
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You can not register a merle pit bull, I am a breeder of the american pit bull terrier and I know this.. If one of my dogs had a merle I would fix it and the stud, it states in the UKC and ADBA that merles are not excepted or albinoizim or blue eyes, those that say they have a merle pit bull have registered them under another color.. Its that simple...
And as far as some one saying that UKC is alowing pit bulls to weigh over 100LBSs thats false if UKC new your dog was to large it would disqualify him a pit bull should only weigh between 30-55 LBS |
| posted 05/01/09 by jamie |
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Merle is a genetic malfunction, wats called a throw back they're not reckonized by true old school dogmen because of tempermental reasons like pure white pits they're a little bit retarded , any ways people who breed merle dogs spicifically are breeding bad dogs any way because they are breeding for a certan colour!!! the best and most people friendly pits are game pits dogs bred for working ablity , actully if you have a merle dog its an amstaff like wise wit any other so called pit over 60lbs
Remember dogs bred for looks=baby shaker
Dog bred for game=baby sitters |
| posted 05/18/09 by jc |
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| Hello!!! I have a very unique Pitbull I rescued recently that my friends found starving, beaten and abandoned in an alley behind a bar. She's the most beautiful fawn and white with blue eyes and 1/2 of one brown. I supposed she could be a mutt but I am wondering if her coloring and eye color could be attributed to the merle gene. Do any of you have any pics of a pitbull with the gene? |
| posted 06/11/09 by Ziba |
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